BATES,+JOHN

**JOHN BATES**

CWGC: Bates, John, Private, 3839, 2nd/5th Battalion, Nottinghamshire & Derbyshire Regiment Died 13th December 1915 Aged 32 Son of John & Martha Alice Bates; husband of Rose Bates, of 32 Mill St, Belper, Derby Buried in Kirk Ireton (Holy Trinity) Churchyard 1911 Census John Bates was aged 28years old. He worked as a baker and resided at Town Street, Kirk Ireton, Derbyshire He was born at Wigan, Lancashire.

**Derby Daily Telegraph, Thursday, 16th December 1915:**

“Soldier's Sudden Death at Idridgehay

On Monday last a very sudden death took place at the above village. Private J Bates, aged 32, of the Sherwood Foresters, who had been on a weekend furlough to visit his wife and family at Kirk Ireton, was wending his way to Idridgehay Station to rejoin his regiment, when some children who were playing about at the time noticed the soldier fall. As he made no attempt to get up, the children procured assistance, and the poor fellow was picked up and carried into the Swan Inn. Dr Broster, who shortly afterwards was passing through the village, was called in by Mr E Stone, the licensee of the Swan Inn, but the doctor could only pronounce life to be extinct. As a sequel to the above, an inquest was held on the body at the Swan Inn on Wednesday by Mr R W Sale, of Derby (Coroner for the district). Dr Broster testified that the cause of death was heart disease and the jury returned a verdict to that effect.” No trace on 1911 Census Born Bolton, Lancashire Son of John, a baker, and Martha Alice Bates, of Flat Yard, Kirk Ireton, Derbyshire John appears on the 1901 Census living with his parents in Queen Street, Belper, Derbyshire



Service Records: WO 363/B663, Row 7, Drawer 30, Pages 165 to 175

**Territorial Force Attestation Form:**

Name & Address: John Bates, Main Street, Kirk Ireton

Attested to serve with: 2nd/5th Bn Notts & Derby Regiment

Regimental Number: 3839

Enlisted: Derby on 17th February 1915

**Statement of Service:**

Rank From To

<span style="font-family: Arial,sans-serif;">Attested Private 17th February 1915

<span style="font-family: Arial,sans-serif;">Embodied Service Private 17th February 1915 13th December 1915

<span style="font-family: Arial,sans-serif;">29th Provisional Battalion Private 13th November 1915 <span style="font-family: Arial,sans-serif;">attached from 2nd/5th

<span style="font-family: Arial,sans-serif;">Died Private 13th December 1915

<span style="font-family: Arial,sans-serif;">Total service in the Territorial Force to 13th December 1915: 272 Days

<span style="display: block; font-family: Arial,sans-serif; text-align: justify;">Character: Good

<span style="display: block; font-family: Arial,sans-serif; text-align: justify;">Discharged in consequence of having died.

<span style="display: block; font-family: Arial,sans-serif; text-align: justify;">Discharge signed and dated 17th January 1916.

<span style="display: block; font-family: Arial,sans-serif; text-align: justify;">**Army Form W 5080:**

<span style="display: block; font-family: Arial,sans-serif; text-align: justify;">Widow of soldier: Rose Bates

<span style="display: block; font-family: Arial,sans-serif; text-align: justify;">Children: Edith Bates, born 7th November 1906 <span style="display: block; font-family: Arial,sans-serif; text-align: justify;">Doris Bates, born 29th March 1908

<span style="display: block; font-family: Arial,sans-serif; text-align: justify;">Address: 32 Mill Street, Belper

<span style="display: block; font-family: Arial,sans-serif; text-align: justify;">Father: John Bates, Kirk Ireton, Nr Derby

<span style="display: block; font-family: Arial,sans-serif; text-align: justify;">Mother: Martha Alice Bates

<span style="display: block; font-family: Arial,sans-serif; text-align: justify;">Brothers: Stephen, Aged 43, Queen Street, Belper <span style="display: block; font-family: Arial,sans-serif; text-align: justify;">George, Aged 38, East Kirkby, Nr Mansfield

<span style="display: block; font-family: Arial,sans-serif; text-align: justify;">Form signed by Rose Bates at Belper on 19th May 1919

<span style="display: block; font-family: Arial,sans-serif; text-align: justify;">**Request for family details for plaque and scroll:**

<span style="display: block; font-family: Arial,sans-serif; text-align: justify;">Address given as c/o Mr Fox, Mill Street, Belper

<span style="display: block; font-family: Arial,sans-serif; text-align: justify;">**Letter from Derbyshire Constabulary:**

<span style="display: block; font-family: Arial,sans-serif; text-align: justify;">From: Supt. Clarke, Matlock

<span style="display: block; font-family: Arial,sans-serif; text-align: justify;">To: The Officer Commanding 29th Provisional Battalion, Wivenhoe, Essex

<span style="display: block; font-family: Arial,sans-serif; text-align: justify;">Date: January 6th 1916

<span style="display: block; font-family: Arial,sans-serif; text-align: justify;">Sir

<span style="display: block; font-family: Arial,sans-serif; text-align: justify;">Re 3839 Late Private John Bates

<span style="display: block; font-family: Arial,sans-serif; text-align: justify;">I beg to inform you that on the 15th December '15, R W Sale Esq., HM Coroner of Derby, held an inquest at “The White Swan Inn”, Idridgehay, Nr Derby, on the body of the above named, when the jury gave the following verdict:- “That the deceased died from heart disease” (Sgd) R W Sale.

<span style="display: block; font-family: Arial,sans-serif; text-align: justify;">I am, Sir, Your Obedient Servant,

<span style="display: block; font-family: Arial,sans-serif; text-align: justify;">J Clarke, Superintendent

<span style="display: block; font-family: Arial,sans-serif; text-align: justify;">**Army Form B179 - Medical Report On An Invalid**

<span style="display: block; font-family: Arial,sans-serif; text-align: justify;">Station: Watford

<span style="display: block; font-family: Arial,sans-serif; text-align: justify;">Date: 29th August 1915

<span style="display: block; font-family: Arial,sans-serif; text-align: justify;">Unit: 2nd/5th Sherwood Foresters

<span style="display: block; font-family: Arial,sans-serif; text-align: justify;">Regimental Number: 3839

<span style="display: block; font-family: Arial,sans-serif; text-align: justify;">Rank: Private

<span style="display: block; font-family: Arial,sans-serif; text-align: justify;">Name: Bates, J

<span style="display: block; font-family: Arial,sans-serif; text-align: justify;">Age Last Birthday: 32

<span style="display: block; font-family: Arial,sans-serif; text-align: justify;">Enlisted on: 16th February 1915 at Derby

<span style="display: block; font-family: Arial,sans-serif; text-align: justify;">Former Trade or Occupation: Baker and confectioner

<span style="display: block; font-family: Arial,sans-serif; text-align: justify;">Disability: 404 Chronic bronchitis with thickening pleura (?TB)

<span style="display: block; font-family: Arial,sans-serif; text-align: justify;">Date of Origin of Disability: March 1915

<span style="display: block; font-family: Arial,sans-serif; text-align: justify;">Place of Origin of Disability: L????? Section

<span style="display: block; font-family: Arial,sans-serif; text-align: justify;">Essential Facts of the Disability: He says that in L???? he had to sleep on a wet bed and shortly afterwards he developed a severe cough with expectoration and stabbing pains in his left side. He attended sick parade for a few weeks and then he had crepitations all over both lungs and was subject to fits of coughing with palpatations, which put him back for a few days. He lost flesh and had palpatations which made him feel very weak.

<span style="display: block; font-family: Arial,sans-serif; text-align: justify;">Opinion to Cause of Disability: Unknown

<span style="display: block; font-family: Arial,sans-serif; text-align: justify;">If you consider it caused by active service, climate, or ordinary <span style="display: block; font-family: Arial,sans-serif; text-align: justify;">military service - explain specific conditions: Not so caused

<span style="display: block; font-family: Arial,sans-serif; text-align: justify;">Recommended - Discharge as permanently unfit for war service.

<span style="display: block; font-family: Arial,sans-serif; text-align: justify;">Dated: 9th September 1915

<span style="display: block; font-family: Arial,sans-serif; text-align: justify;">What is His Present Condition: There is a dullness over the whole of the right base and also a small patch over the left apex. There are no abnormal accompaniments at the moment. He has lost a lot of flesh lately and looks very anaemic. He is quite unfit to march.

<span style="display: block; font-family: Arial,sans-serif; text-align: justify;">Opinion of the Medical Board: Permanently unfit for service.

<span style="display: block; font-family: Arial,sans-serif; text-align: justify;">The disiability is not aggravated by intemperance or misconduct.

<span style="display: block; font-family: Arial,sans-serif; text-align: justify;">Is disability permanent: Yes

<span style="display: block; font-family: Arial,sans-serif; text-align: justify;">Recommendation: Discharge as permanently unfit for war service.

<span style="display: block; font-family: Arial,sans-serif; text-align: justify;">Watford, dated 9th September 1915

<span style="display: block; font-family: Arial,sans-serif; text-align: justify;">Approved by the Colonel of the ADMS NM Division on 13th September 1915.

<span style="display: block; font-family: Arial,sans-serif; text-align: justify;">Form stamped; “DISCHARGE NOT APPROVED 8TH OCTOBER 1915”

<span style="display: block; font-family: Arial,sans-serif; text-align: justify;">**Medical Inspection Report:**

<span style="display: block; font-family: Arial,sans-serif; text-align: justify;">Apparent Age: 31 Yrs, 11 Mths

<span style="display: block; font-family: Arial,sans-serif; text-align: justify;">Height: 5 feet, 4 inches

<span style="display: block; font-family: Arial,sans-serif; text-align: justify;">Chest when fully expanded: 38 inches

<span style="display: block; font-family: Arial,sans-serif; text-align: justify;">Range of Expansion: 2 inches

<span style="display: block; font-family: Arial,sans-serif; text-align: justify;">Vision: Fit

<span style="display: block; font-family: Arial,sans-serif; text-align: justify;">Physical Development: Fit

<span style="display: block; font-family: Arial,sans-serif; text-align: justify;">Passed Medical: 17th February 1915
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